blue_bells: (Supernatural :: Cas-Jimmy pensive)
[personal profile] blue_bells
I hear the divide on the new season of Supernatural is 50/50.

Well, I'm in. I thought I'd be bored by Sam's reliving of the Cage -- and then the show reminded me whose company he'd kept.

So, your enjoyment of Supernatural season seven is going to depend on your interest in:

1) overdue creature FX and investment in the Leviathans' agenda (nice dental care);
2) brotherly angst and ripe material for the Sam/Dean shippers ("Do you want to know what's real? Me. I'm real, Sammy.");
3) Lucifer. I went an entire season convinced we would never see any of Raphael's brothers again, so to say that I'm over the moon he's back and tormenting is an understatement.

Though, Sam's now going to start self-harming to keep the hallucinations of Lucifer at bay and Castiel is allegedly gone (I say allegedly because Cas is The Angel Who Would Not Stay Down and this is SPN, so I don't believe for a minute the show won't pounce on a future opportunity to bring him back). This could drive a whole lot of fans off the show or to dismay, which is a shame because for the first time in years, I vaguely care about Sam and Dean again.

I believe that has to do with the fact the episode was written by Ben Edlund who appears to have composed some of my favourite episodes. He has a talent for writing critical and intimate moments between characters that reminds us they're more than set pieces, he shows their vulnerability, and because of that the characters have the opportunity to rebuild and show their strength. I loved that quiet moment in the kitchen between Dean and Bobby, even if Dean characteristically stonewalled him. When Sam was digging into his wound and Dean was shouting at his brother to look at him in the warehouse, it was the first time in seasons that I felt a real connection between them again. I'm looking forward to it.

I am intrigued by the fact Lucifer says Sam is his only source of entertainment, though. Where in the Cage are Michael and Adam? Did they get their own honeymoon suite or something? What-the-sh*t is going on there?

So, season seven. You've got me for the meantime. Yes, now I want to write Sam/Lucifer and Sam/Dean and Lucifer/Sam/Dean, but in line with my rationing of time, I'm just going to enjoy a few morsels of what's been written by other people since the airing.

Also, I watched Torchwood season four and it was fan-freaking-tastic ("Did you see Ianto?" *soblovesob*). I loved everyone and everything, the writing was wonderful, that ending was so cathartic, and other TW fans may not agree, but I actually enjoyed this more than any of what Torchwood ever offered before. Well done, team.

Date: 2011-10-02 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nights-fang.livejournal.com
Well considering Lucifer is actually Sam's hallucination of Lucifer, I'm not surprised that Lucifer only keeps mentioning him and Sam. Sam was sort of equally fixated on Lucifer as much as Lucifer was fixed on him being a vessel.

Date: 2011-10-02 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
A fair observation, it was very much a one-to-one fixation. If true, it also suggests this binary relationship continued in the Cage (or the torture was so severe that Sam couldn't spare a thought for Michael and/or his brother OR Adam was sequestered somewhere else).

Date: 2011-10-02 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nights-fang.livejournal.com
I'm hoping it's just Sam remembering stuff in bits and pieces, because the binary thing would suck. There is so much potential for the Cage memories and they could work on that. (That and I want to hope Jake will come back to the show, either as Michael or Adam. Can you imagine how hilarious a team him and Mark would make as Sam's hallucinations? Mark's already getting all the best lines.) And naturally since he was fixated of Lucifer, those are the first few hallucinations.

Date: 2011-10-02 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
Mark and Jake even bantering about their torture of Sam: either on who has the best method or collusion for great suffering? Do want eventually, Show. <3

Date: 2011-10-02 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyknightanka.livejournal.com
I love you. ♥

So many people are unhappy with it that I'm glad at least you and I are on the same page. I mean, I KNOW all the nays are because Cas apparently died - and I also believe head-honcho!leviathan is still wearing him - and you know I love Cas, but that doesn't mean the rest of the emotions explored are no longer worth watching. Sam and Dean were perfect, reminiscent of their early bromance, that unbreakable bond of love, for the first time in ages and Lucifer was glorious. I was giggling so hard when he was reading a magazine article on the royal wedding. I'm also curious about what he said. Maybe the archangels divided the Cage in two, each with their respective vessels? SHOW, 'SPLAIN, PLZ?

Besides, while the Wincest made me very gleeful, the moment where Dean carefully picks up Castiel's coat also merits mention. It was a beautiful moment. ♥

AND OMG, YOU WATCH TW4! I'm so happy you enjoyed it! I found the whole season breathtaking and I was initially terrified because A) it had relocated to my homeland, which is responsible for things like The Jersey Shore, B) there was a new cast and C) with Ianto gone, I was terrified it would become Jack/Gwen, BUT MY WORRIES WERE THANKFULLY FOR NAUGHT! I adored the new American characters and their plot, not to mention I fell in love with Gwen, whom I was apathetic to in earlier seasons. SO MUCH LOVE!

My inner fangirl is VERY happy right now.

Date: 2011-10-02 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
I love you, too! ♥

I was so refreshed by Sam and Dean's scenes together, I thought they were fantastic and you're absolutely right: it's a glimpse of how they used to be, but because we can never return to people we once were, it leaves the very real suggestion they're (gasp) growing.

Sam didn't lie when Dean asked how he was. Dean asked multiple times, and actually came back with something more encouraging than 'get it together already' by the end. Dean himself only had to wait until the end of the episode to come clean that he wasn't well (leagues of improvement!), even if it was to Bobby's voicemail, and that closer about driving himself and his 'Beautiful Mind' brother off a pier if they'd lost Bobby was genius.

Everybody should realize that top!Leviathan is wearing Jimmy (it'd be awesome), and I still don't believe Cas is dead; Show would just lose potential drawpower but if he really is ash, then RIP, loyal soldier.

Kuki and I discussed Lucifer's comments above. I feel for you, Winchesters, but don't leave anytime soon, Lucifer. Saying I adore you isn't enough. You're the saving hallucination. You are 85% the reason I'm still watching, though I'm holding out hope that the brothers will claw back some of my investment.

Finally, Torchwood. IT WAS EPIC, yes the new characters were wonderful, the storyline and implications of neverending life were so well considered, and I adored the team that Gwen and Rhys had become. I've never before believed in Gwen with the same faith her teammates seemed to harbour (so many of the characters including Jack were intensely dislikable, I couldn't bring myself to care too much about their fates), but this season I became a fan. She was fantastic. I loved Rex and Esther, the funeral was such a rollercoaster, but at the end Rex's revelation was such a great twist, I was excited. I love a show that makes you want to punch the air at the season finale and anticipate the next return: I've never had that reaction to TW before. Loved it.

Date: 2011-10-02 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyknightanka.livejournal.com
I was also impressed by how the boys are steadily becoming less emotionally stunted. HAIL CHUCK AND CASTIEL, IT'S A BLOODY MIRACLE!

Show has done some stupid things in the past, but I think they'd at least have Castiel go out with more of a bang. Besides, it seems overly telling to me that Big Bad Leviathan was only mentioned rather than shown, instead employing a medium to relay his news. I have no worries about Cas coming back. I do love him, but I want him to come back so everyone who's heartbroken can be soothed. It's bad to say, but their depression irks me. D:

And yes, I feel bad for woobie!Sam, but alas, Lucifer is too wondrous for me to be deprived of yet again. Oh Mark Pellegrino, you magnificent bastard. ♥

That's exactly how I felt about TW. It was my favorite season, too. I can't wait to see what they do with immortal Rex! :D

Date: 2011-10-02 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chosenfire28.livejournal.com
I am really happy with the Dean and Sam scenes in the last episode, I didn't know how much I missed them until Dean was talking and my heart hurt and was YES BROTHERS! I've missed them just being them.

and Cas is coming back, I don't see how he's not coming back, the set it up for him to, and even if he doesn't, I will be okay as long as the Dean and Sam writing stays solid (and I am a Dean/Cas shipper, that side of fandom just seems to be too much right now).

I don't care at all about the Levi villains, the YED was scary then them. I do LOVE seeing Lucifer back on my tv, even if he is probably just a Sam hallucination.

Obviously Michael and Adam are honey mooning in the put, gesh Lucifer is probably sick of all their lovely dovey nonsense and missing Sam :D

Date: 2011-10-03 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
Absolutely, I've missed Sam and Dean being brothers - that's the whole reason I got into the show! It's nice to see it coming back to that and I hope the writers don't let them slip in the episodes ahead.

Cas is coming back, I'm on the side that believes he's being worn by the Leviathan in charge, and I can't wait for that showdown. Though I still think that's one entity Jimmy shouldn't be able to contain, I make the exception to logic for great times. I like that Dean took the trench from the riverside. <3!

LUCIFER. God, how I've missed him. So snarky. So terrible. I love him.

Well, Michael and Adam are certainly off doing SOMETHING in the pit, but a friend up above pointed out that Lucifer probably hasn't mentioned them because it's Sam's hallucination and he's fixated on Lucifer's obsession with himself. I like the suggestion that Lucifer is actually LUCIFER leaking through the Cage, though.

Date: 2011-10-02 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trollmela.livejournal.com
I loved the episode because Lucifer was just awesome and creepy and overall brilliant. You're right, it was a bit strange that Michael and Adam weren't mentioned; as much as I hate to say it, I think the writers are ignoring/have forgotten all about the other two. But I'll take the honeymoon suite suggestion.

I'm all for Sam/Lucifer and Sam/Dean but why have you crossed out Lucifer/Sam/Dean? Sounds doable to me :D

Date: 2011-10-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyknightanka.livejournal.com
Godstiel did mention that Michael had to be kept in the pit. Maybe it was just me, but it seemed meaningful that he didn't say Michael AND Lucifer. That might come into play later. Perhaps Michael, who was the first being created after God did away with the leviathans, will later be pertinent to the plot (or so I hope, because they built him up to be BAMF, but Lucifer became considerably more interesting).

Date: 2011-10-03 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
Michael fizzled out quickly, all bang and no buck, and I think he'll stay in the Cage - unless the Leviathans seek revenge on men and angels and all the things that came after them out of spite. In one little AU, the Leviathans bust the cage wide open and they throw down with the archangels. I want to see a vessel-less face-off because the Old Ones seem like darkness while we've seen the angels are pure light and sound: I think it would be a beautiful thing.

Date: 2011-10-03 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyknightanka.livejournal.com
Michael and Lucifer versus the leviathans.... DO WANT, SHOW! As much as I love SPN, we never get epic stand-offs. Instead, it's like the terrible ending of the Twilight saga, worse than everything else Meyer through at the Twihards, where everyone stands on different sides of a field and talks at each other. FAIL!

Date: 2011-10-03 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
I absolutely adored Lucifer. I'm so glad his haunting will continue, even if Sam self-harms to try and avoid it (sorry, Sam), he's so much fun. And it gives us fresh fodder for Sam/Lucifer, I'm hungry for it again. :3 If Lucifer really is Sam's hallucination, Sam's probably the most focused on what Lucifer did to him to begin with, but in later episodes, the hallucination might shake things up with memories of what happened with Michael and Adam, too. Mmmm, now I want to write that.

I crossed out Lucifer/Sam/Dean because I have this chronic tendency to make moresomes left and right, but I think I'm going to write this, regardless. It's too good to resist.

I got your email, btw, and I'll respond to it soon! :D

Date: 2011-10-02 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mishaphappens.livejournal.com
Um. Lucifer/Sam/Dean PLEASE. I just had this image where Sam and Dean are screwing and there's Lucifer in the corner, watching them, and Sam keeps looking back. AIFHUDHSINFDSK

Date: 2011-10-03 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
Lucifer/Sam/Dean, sweetheart, I don't think I'll be able to resist. ♥

Date: 2011-10-03 05:01 am (UTC)
jane_potter: (Castiel's head tilt)
From: [personal profile] jane_potter
These first two episodes were easily ten times better than the entire last season. Episode 2 alone has single-handedly made me love SPN like it's season 1 all over again. I feel like one half of an old married couple that's been distant and feuding for a long time, only to have finally made up and found the motherfucking passion again.

They've given us action, motion (almost too much, too fast at a few points, but that's about my only complaint), swathes and swathes of potential plot, character development, mending of relationships that have been strained and broken for too long-- GUH. Watching these two episodes, I actually had the lucid thought that the writers were literally listening to the two big things that a lot of the fans (myself included) wanted: bring back the brothers that we started with, and fix Dean and Cas (I admit my shipper bias). It's like Christmas in goddamn October, I tell you!

Is Cas dead? I really don't think so. That was one of the points at which I felt it moved too fast: Godstiel-->Death-->Cas's breakdown-->ritual-->monsters gone-->Dean and Cas reconcile (kind of)-->OH WAIT LEVIATHAN-->trenchcoat in the water-->"rest in peace" in the space of one episode and a little bit? (And that was all Dean felt about it? After that conversation, that was really his entire reaction to Cas being apparently dead? C'mon, Ackles, emote a little!) We know there's a head honcho Leviathan still off-screen somewhere. If he's not wearing Cas, I'll eat my hat.

I agree entirely with what you said in your 7x01 post, about Dean and Sam failing to develop. It was frustrating the hell out of me, the whole "no really I'm fine" thing over and over again for seasons on end, so when Bobby laid down that verbal bitchslap to Dean in the kitchen-- YES. I would have liked even a second of hesitation out of Dean, a flinch... but no, of course not, Dean. The fact that we had that belated flinch come out in the voicemail at the end of 7x02 had me sighing in relief. It's about time. And I adored that the writers finally linked Dean's and Sam's experiences in Hell together, to explicitly show both the audience and the characters that those mutual experiences mean there's now no reason for Dean and Sam to keep lying to each other and trying to pretend that they're fine. They both know what kind of shit goes down in Hell, and what that does to a person. They don't have to keep that wall up between them any more (pun intended).

Now if the show can just stop horrifying me with the fridge logic of Adam's fate, then I'll be all the way over the moon. *chinhands*

Date: 2011-10-03 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
I couldn't agree more: for me, season six came into its own in the last three episodes; talk about extended birthing pains for a new creative director. Season seven feels the closest we've had to seasons one and two in years, I just hope that we don't lose it too soon. I'm cautious because we're only two episodes in.

I'm really glad the writers have showed they're listening because since season four, it really felt as though the Show expanded its universe faster than it could contend with. It bit off more than it could chew and everything suffered for it. I feel as though they're readdressing their foundations: brothers and the family you choose, what family actually means, e.g. supporting each other, instead of just growling all the time.

They're not going to fix Dean and Cas (or Sam and Dean) until Dean comes to the table. I understand he's hurting a lot for what's happened since season four/five and his head is probably still spinning because he doesn't make the time to ACTUALLY get his marbles in the box, but he needs to work on his empathy and see things from the other side, or he'll either lose or destroy the people he has left.

We are tired of Sam and Dean saying they're fine because we know they're not, they also know the other is lying, and it's just frustrating. It's wearying; it's insanity to do the same thing over and over expect a different result. Stop asking the question unless you give them a reason to tell you the truth, Dean. Like, support: forcing Dean to empathise through his experience of Hell now that Sam has his soul back was the smartest thing they've done for him in seasons.

Yes, join our camp of Cthulustiel! It's the only conclusion that makes sense.

If the show ties up Adam's fate (since it debunked my happy myth that Adam had been sent to Heaven when Sam jumped the Cage), I would be beyond the moon; I'd be past the asteroid belt and on my way to the former planetary member of the solar system. I'd love to see Sam hallucinate him, too; I'd like to think that's in the cards for episodes coming up.

Date: 2011-10-04 01:37 am (UTC)
jane_potter: (Castiel's head tilt)
From: [personal profile] jane_potter
"Cthulustiel"
*chokes on drink*
*cackles*

"They're not going to fix Dean and Cas (or Sam and Dean) until Dean comes to the table. I understand he's hurting a lot for what's happened since season four/five and his head is probably still spinning because he doesn't make the time to ACTUALLY get his marbles in the box, but he needs to work on his empathy and see things from the other side, or he'll either lose or destroy the people he has left."
THIS. ALL OF THIS. One of the things that pissed me off about Dean in season 6 was him being told, "Dude, you're just using Castiel as a tool when you need him, despite also knowing that he's off fighting a goddamn heavenly war for the existence of your entire planet," and then proceeding to complain when Cas didn't come to him for help immediately, and, worse yet, blaming Cas for screwing up. Everybody screws up. I think if Dean had taken the time to find out what Cas was really up against, he would have gotten behind Cas a lot more, but nooo, all Dean could see in the end is that Cas made a deal with a demon and grabbed for power.

RRRRGHHH.

/pants

"Stop asking the question unless you give them a reason to tell you the truth [unless you give them a reason to think you'll help/care], Dean. Like, support: forcing Dean to empathise through his experience of Hell now that Sam has his soul back was the smartest thing they've done for him in seasons."
And this, yes.

But. If Dean keeps up the way he has in these first two episodes, I think he's on the road to not screwing it up anymore.
Edited Date: 2011-10-04 01:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-10-04 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
I think we can summarize this with: head out of behind and walk a mile on the other side of the fence, Dean. If he'd managed the one mile, Cas might have made it, we'll never know, but he still has a chance with Sam and Bobby. We'll keep our fingers crossed.

Date: 2011-10-04 04:54 am (UTC)
jane_potter: (Castiel's head tilt)
From: [personal profile] jane_potter
"If he'd managed the one mile, Cas might have made it, we'll never know"
Which is the heartbreak.

*shutting up now* XD

Date: 2011-10-04 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/
I think it's safe to say, "We concur, Doctor". XD

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