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blue_bellsI say 'eccentric ideas', because this is the Google definition of a 'kink'. Truly, I tell you, Google knows little about a lot of things. :P
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It's a kink meme. Wherein I get too academic and stuffy for my own good, but I realise there are still tropes to be tampered with on my writing to-do list.
Creatures/Aliens: Why, yes. Creatures and aliens deserve love and/or attention, too. I will write and read this.
Mpreg: I actually have written mpreg before, a long time ago for Final Fantasy VIII. Part of the appeal of mpreg is the fascination of the couple creating their own family and the new level of intimacy that comes with it, the (sometimes false) assumption that children bring out instincts in us that not only change, but enhance a couple’s relationship with each other. I’ve enjoyed some excellent mpreg stories in the past and, although I don’t actively pursue these anymore, I’m certainly not averse to reading or writing it.
Slave, BDSM, D/s, S&M: I’m more interested in the psychological side of trust than the physical acts, so if a story deals with this, rather than just a play-by-play of what’s going on in the bedroom, I’ll stick around to read it. I’ve only ever written light bondage, but writing an understated D/s that an outsider almost wouldn’t notice if you were none the wiser is something I’ve been meaning to try for a while.
Age Difference: Mental age is what matters for me. We write in fandoms full of supernatural creatures where people can be separated by a few years to a few hundred, or even some millennia. So, for me, what’s more important is the relative mental age of the people involved and what they’re going through in their lives at the time.
I would be sceptical about a 30 year-old picking up a 15 year-old kid; kid being the important thing to note here. I wouldn’t care less if a 30 year-old and 45 year-old were to hook-up – it’s the same age difference, but there’s more of a chance that the 30 year-old and 45 year-old would be on the same page than the adolescent and adult (also, illegal? XD).
Having said all of that, though, sure I’ll admit I enjoy stories where the couple have to wait for the younger to turn legal as much as the next person. Oh, sweet restraint, you are so much fun.
Bloodplay: The amount of blood I can tolerate is directly proportional to the degree of crazy of the characters involved (e.g. If Alastair is in the room, I expect it): it has to make sense for the circumstances. Generally, bodily fluids don’t interest me, but blood is that one exception because of its metaphor. If you treat every drop of blood like an offer of life, it’s suddenly much more interesting: you can draw patterns with it, you can stopper it, you can control how much to give, or you can let it rush away in a waste.
Underage (chan): Underage-on-the-brink-of-adulthood = yes. Anything below that line = no, unless the story treats the issue seriously and the author shows they’ve done their research; at this point it becomes an academic interest. I couldn’t write true chan from a positive point of view, but I wouldn’t exclude it from a story if it fit with the rest of the landscape.
Crossdressing/Genderbender: When there's a significant point or difference by the genderbend, it's often fun and interesting! I wrote a crossdressing-for-great-justice fic in Castle where Ryan and Beckett had to go undercover in a drag queen beauty pageant and that was a lot of fun. I have no issues with crossdressing or genderbending, but it’s not a kink I actually have, so I don’t seek it out. :]
Bodyswap: Is definitely an ingredient for grander fun times! I don’t think I’ve ever written it, though, so I’ll have to remedy that.
Dubcon: Asgrlkat2 said, this is persuasive sex, but if it’s still dubious, it suggests there was some element of participation or (mistaken or not) consent that stopped it from tipping into the territory of non-consent. I like, read, and write dub-con if both parties eventually agree, because if you don’t have that final consensus, strictly speaking, it’s non-consent.
Noncon: It happens. It’s tragic. It’s awful and it affects more than just the direct victim. I’ll read stories where this happens, but I expect it to be treated with an understanding of all those things and if it’s not, well, there are plenty of other stories out there that will. If there is magical healing cock sex soon after the event, I tend to crack up and move on – please, please consider your fellow person’s psychology 101. Although I generally don’t write stories where the subject matter gets this heavy, like chan, I wouldn’t exclude it from a story if it fit, but I wouldn’t write it explicitly.
Incest/Selfcest: This is like asking, ‘Have you ever written in the Supernatural fandom?’ It’s safe to say the majority of SPN writers have dabbled with incest at least once because this show is all about the terrible, wonderful, the wrong and downright insane things we’ll do to preserve our families, go above and beyond the call of duty and, in the Winchester’s case, nature.
I’ve written wincest (Sam/Dean), ‘win-mill-cest’ (Sam/Dean/Adam), and angelcest (in too many combinations), but the bottom line of this trope for me is that it has to be consensual (and if it isn’t, the story will just need to come with the relevant warnings).
As for selfcest: when I first found out about this, I don’t think I stopped laughing for two days. It ups the ante on narcissism when treated with humour (read: Gabriel) and poses interesting questions for the character’s sense of self and esteem when considered with a straight face. I remember reading a present!Castiel/2014!Castiel fic once which was written with deadpan seriousness and it was done exceptionally well. In conclusion, I will read anything, though I haven’t written selfcest yet (false!Michael/Michael doesn’t completely qualify because one of them wasn’t real).
Threesome/moresome/gangbang: Hell to the yeah on the first two. If you’ve ever heard me burble, you’ll know I have a terrible weakness for not leaving people out, which means that rather than make someone choose between two people, I’ll usually let them have both. Or all three (or more). You’ll see a lot of threesomes on my journal, moresomes will probably follow shortly, but gangbangs are beyond that line I draw of ‘only if I have to because it fits within this larger story’.
Death: Death is not a kink for me – unless we’re talking about the Horseman because just having him around exuding his awesome is definitely something I could have more of in the Supernatural fandom. However, necrophilia, even when the dead person(s) is animated is just not a turn on for me, so if I wrote it, it would be a terrible, guilty, angst-ridden encounter serving more as a ‘mourning in action’ for both parties.
Watersports/scat: More than chan, more than noncon and gangbangs, this -- just – no. XD No, thank you, not for me.
Crossovers: Are awesome because they take both sets of characters out of their comfort zones and see how they cope with other fully-formed characters on their own missions, priorities and self-interests. My favourite crossovers are those where two or more ‘verses with similar world rules meet and seamlessly blend together, but when two worlds that should never ever work come together neatly, that’s even more impressive.
Unhappy/wide-open endings: Tear my heartstrings, but are sometimes necessary to stay true to the story’s integrity.
Violence/torture: I will always endorse BAMFs kicking ass. Violence and torture, whether physical, mental, or emotional, all have their place and I do enjoy myself a good dark!fic when done well.
Established relationship: I definitely enjoy these and they fit more when your focus is not the journey but the challenges that are still around, or the fun moments in time, when you’ve gotten over that initial hump of agreeing to be together. For most people, that initial confession is the hardest part, but the work doesn’t end there.
RPF (real person fic): I’m not interested in performing celebrities' personal lives, so this is one part of fandom that passes me by. If I pretend that the celebrities aren’t real people, though, and treat it like original fiction, I can definitely read them.
Band Fic: I love rock music and I love writing; it’s inevitable these two things should eventually cross over. I probably don’t know enough about bands and band culture to actually attempt it myself, so I’ve been lucky enough to have people like the lovelysynnerxx write it for me. :D One of the most unexpected and geekily satisfying band fics I ever read, though, was by copper_on_mars where Lucifer, Sam, Adam, and Michael had to play in a quartet in the Cage. Because God would only provide those instrument and sheet music if there was a point, like earning your freedom through persistence and cooperation, right? Right?? :DD (Perhaps not.)
AUs: I love these so well. I prefer that the characters’ personalities remain the same, otherwise they may as well be different people, but sometimes the irony is seeing them displaced because you know how different they originally were.
Food: I used to have a big issue with food in the bedroom. XD Despite the effort of some friends, I, personally, am still not convinced of the fun if we’re talking food as part of sex and not just foreplay, beyond just sauce or drinks. And before anybody asks -- sadly, you'll probably never see whipped cream in my stories because I am prejudiced against it. XD
In conclusion, I love happy endings, I hate to leave anyone out in stories, and I will read anything for pure academic purposes. But I can't condone whipped cream, even on cake. :P
While waiting for my brain to come back online, have a meme I ganked from
grlkat2.It's a kink meme. Wherein I get too academic and stuffy for my own good, but I realise there are still tropes to be tampered with on my writing to-do list.
Creatures/Aliens: Why, yes. Creatures and aliens deserve love and/or attention, too. I will write and read this.
Mpreg: I actually have written mpreg before, a long time ago for Final Fantasy VIII. Part of the appeal of mpreg is the fascination of the couple creating their own family and the new level of intimacy that comes with it, the (sometimes false) assumption that children bring out instincts in us that not only change, but enhance a couple’s relationship with each other. I’ve enjoyed some excellent mpreg stories in the past and, although I don’t actively pursue these anymore, I’m certainly not averse to reading or writing it.
Slave, BDSM, D/s, S&M: I’m more interested in the psychological side of trust than the physical acts, so if a story deals with this, rather than just a play-by-play of what’s going on in the bedroom, I’ll stick around to read it. I’ve only ever written light bondage, but writing an understated D/s that an outsider almost wouldn’t notice if you were none the wiser is something I’ve been meaning to try for a while.
Age Difference: Mental age is what matters for me. We write in fandoms full of supernatural creatures where people can be separated by a few years to a few hundred, or even some millennia. So, for me, what’s more important is the relative mental age of the people involved and what they’re going through in their lives at the time.
I would be sceptical about a 30 year-old picking up a 15 year-old kid; kid being the important thing to note here. I wouldn’t care less if a 30 year-old and 45 year-old were to hook-up – it’s the same age difference, but there’s more of a chance that the 30 year-old and 45 year-old would be on the same page than the adolescent and adult (also, illegal? XD).
Having said all of that, though, sure I’ll admit I enjoy stories where the couple have to wait for the younger to turn legal as much as the next person. Oh, sweet restraint, you are so much fun.
Bloodplay: The amount of blood I can tolerate is directly proportional to the degree of crazy of the characters involved (e.g. If Alastair is in the room, I expect it): it has to make sense for the circumstances. Generally, bodily fluids don’t interest me, but blood is that one exception because of its metaphor. If you treat every drop of blood like an offer of life, it’s suddenly much more interesting: you can draw patterns with it, you can stopper it, you can control how much to give, or you can let it rush away in a waste.
Underage (chan): Underage-on-the-brink-of-adulthood = yes. Anything below that line = no, unless the story treats the issue seriously and the author shows they’ve done their research; at this point it becomes an academic interest. I couldn’t write true chan from a positive point of view, but I wouldn’t exclude it from a story if it fit with the rest of the landscape.
Crossdressing/Genderbender: When there's a significant point or difference by the genderbend, it's often fun and interesting! I wrote a crossdressing-for-great-justice fic in Castle where Ryan and Beckett had to go undercover in a drag queen beauty pageant and that was a lot of fun. I have no issues with crossdressing or genderbending, but it’s not a kink I actually have, so I don’t seek it out. :]
Bodyswap: Is definitely an ingredient for grander fun times! I don’t think I’ve ever written it, though, so I’ll have to remedy that.
Dubcon: As
grlkat2 said, this is persuasive sex, but if it’s still dubious, it suggests there was some element of participation or (mistaken or not) consent that stopped it from tipping into the territory of non-consent. I like, read, and write dub-con if both parties eventually agree, because if you don’t have that final consensus, strictly speaking, it’s non-consent.Noncon: It happens. It’s tragic. It’s awful and it affects more than just the direct victim. I’ll read stories where this happens, but I expect it to be treated with an understanding of all those things and if it’s not, well, there are plenty of other stories out there that will. If there is magical healing cock sex soon after the event, I tend to crack up and move on – please, please consider your fellow person’s psychology 101. Although I generally don’t write stories where the subject matter gets this heavy, like chan, I wouldn’t exclude it from a story if it fit, but I wouldn’t write it explicitly.
Incest/Selfcest: This is like asking, ‘Have you ever written in the Supernatural fandom?’ It’s safe to say the majority of SPN writers have dabbled with incest at least once because this show is all about the terrible, wonderful, the wrong and downright insane things we’ll do to preserve our families, go above and beyond the call of duty and, in the Winchester’s case, nature.
I’ve written wincest (Sam/Dean), ‘win-mill-cest’ (Sam/Dean/Adam), and angelcest (in too many combinations), but the bottom line of this trope for me is that it has to be consensual (and if it isn’t, the story will just need to come with the relevant warnings).
As for selfcest: when I first found out about this, I don’t think I stopped laughing for two days. It ups the ante on narcissism when treated with humour (read: Gabriel) and poses interesting questions for the character’s sense of self and esteem when considered with a straight face. I remember reading a present!Castiel/2014!Castiel fic once which was written with deadpan seriousness and it was done exceptionally well. In conclusion, I will read anything, though I haven’t written selfcest yet (false!Michael/Michael doesn’t completely qualify because one of them wasn’t real).
Threesome/moresome/gangbang: Hell to the yeah on the first two. If you’ve ever heard me burble, you’ll know I have a terrible weakness for not leaving people out, which means that rather than make someone choose between two people, I’ll usually let them have both. Or all three (or more). You’ll see a lot of threesomes on my journal, moresomes will probably follow shortly, but gangbangs are beyond that line I draw of ‘only if I have to because it fits within this larger story’.
Death: Death is not a kink for me – unless we’re talking about the Horseman because just having him around exuding his awesome is definitely something I could have more of in the Supernatural fandom. However, necrophilia, even when the dead person(s) is animated is just not a turn on for me, so if I wrote it, it would be a terrible, guilty, angst-ridden encounter serving more as a ‘mourning in action’ for both parties.
Watersports/scat: More than chan, more than noncon and gangbangs, this -- just – no. XD No, thank you, not for me.
Crossovers: Are awesome because they take both sets of characters out of their comfort zones and see how they cope with other fully-formed characters on their own missions, priorities and self-interests. My favourite crossovers are those where two or more ‘verses with similar world rules meet and seamlessly blend together, but when two worlds that should never ever work come together neatly, that’s even more impressive.
Unhappy/wide-open endings: Tear my heartstrings, but are sometimes necessary to stay true to the story’s integrity.
Violence/torture: I will always endorse BAMFs kicking ass. Violence and torture, whether physical, mental, or emotional, all have their place and I do enjoy myself a good dark!fic when done well.
Established relationship: I definitely enjoy these and they fit more when your focus is not the journey but the challenges that are still around, or the fun moments in time, when you’ve gotten over that initial hump of agreeing to be together. For most people, that initial confession is the hardest part, but the work doesn’t end there.
RPF (real person fic): I’m not interested in performing celebrities' personal lives, so this is one part of fandom that passes me by. If I pretend that the celebrities aren’t real people, though, and treat it like original fiction, I can definitely read them.
Band Fic: I love rock music and I love writing; it’s inevitable these two things should eventually cross over. I probably don’t know enough about bands and band culture to actually attempt it myself, so I’ve been lucky enough to have people like the lovely
synnerxx write it for me. :D One of the most unexpected and geekily satisfying band fics I ever read, though, was by copper_on_mars where Lucifer, Sam, Adam, and Michael had to play in a quartet in the Cage. Because God would only provide those instrument and sheet music if there was a point, like earning your freedom through persistence and cooperation, right? Right?? :DD (Perhaps not.)AUs: I love these so well. I prefer that the characters’ personalities remain the same, otherwise they may as well be different people, but sometimes the irony is seeing them displaced because you know how different they originally were.
Food: I used to have a big issue with food in the bedroom. XD Despite the effort of some friends, I, personally, am still not convinced of the fun if we’re talking food as part of sex and not just foreplay, beyond just sauce or drinks. And before anybody asks -- sadly, you'll probably never see whipped cream in my stories because I am prejudiced against it. XD
In conclusion, I love happy endings, I hate to leave anyone out in stories, and I will read anything for pure academic purposes. But I can't condone whipped cream, even on cake. :P
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Date: 2011-04-14 12:13 pm (UTC)I agree with probably everything you've said here, to degrees. lol, Doesn't matter, I fail at porn anyways.
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Date: 2011-04-14 12:57 pm (UTC)It's funny you mention gen stories with him and Laguna because I can't remember any off the top of my head. Were they so rare? o.0 Squall had so many issues, but I lived and breathed him for years, I am OVAR his drama! XD
Hahaha but this meme isn't just about sex, it's kinks in general! Do you have a favourite kink on the list above? This is by no means a comprehensive list - if it was I think this meme would go forever!
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Date: 2011-04-14 07:22 pm (UTC)I have no idea, but it makes me sad. Squall's relationship with Laguna was something I always wish had been explored more in the game, but apparently no one else cared about Laguna's reaction to finally finding the child he had with the love of his life, whom he effectively abandoned in favor of his surrogate daughter. Oh well, I'm also over it (though not over, as you can tell, the idea of fathers and sons bonding). xD
From the list above? I really love to read/write AUs and I used to literally be 'that crossover writer' in a couple of my older fandoms, because I had fun combining them together. And the other stuff just depends on situation, but yeah, I will never read/write WS/S.
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Date: 2011-04-14 10:15 pm (UTC)Here's the tag of what I ported over about FF, though it's probably only 10%: users.livejournal.com/_bluebells/tag/final%20fantasy
I have so much love for AUs and crossovers, though I have to agree with you on WS/S. It's just not for me! :D
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Date: 2011-04-15 04:16 pm (UTC)I see you also wrote Tekkan! I used to adore that game. XD Have you seen the atrocious movie adaptation? It's good for the lulz if not anything else.
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Date: 2011-04-16 03:30 pm (UTC)Tekken was the first game I ever bought, it was so much fun in its hey day! I actually have a copy of the film, but I couldn't bring myself to watch it because I was pretty sure it would be terrible. XD Even though it had Luke Goss, who I'm so fond of.
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Date: 2011-04-14 02:21 pm (UTC)But you wrote in Final Fantasy fandom. Oh my gosh, marry me. I have fics in my head for the later ones that I just HAVEN'T put to computer because I've just read horrible stuff on ff.net and was too afraid to look here. But if you wrote it? UNF, yes.
And the psychological side of BSDM? I love you. I was explaining to my friend just why some people like having master/slave relationships in the bedroom but she wouldn't budge. It's not just whips and collars people, it's trust and control issues. The academic side of chan is something I didn't think about but I'd consider it seriously if it was treated as such, I'm with you there. Urgh *death to magical healing cock*
I didn't know we referred to the three boys as 'winmillcest'. Win a million cest? Windmill cest?
Sauces are fun for foreplay. I don't know anyone who'd have the kind of fat sex that involves food throughout the whole act. Maybe Gabriel. Maybe just sweets though, because it's him.
And well, this meme IS lacking in the kinks department. It's quite a fail-meme because of this. But I REALLY liked your answers here. And yes, I hate leaving people out too. This is why when everyone's all together but Dean in my friend's RP, I always point out that he still has Baby *nods*
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Date: 2011-04-14 03:20 pm (UTC)I did write in Final Fantasy! Did you as well? I think I have a few fics on this journal, but the majority of my stuff was before LJ really took off, so it would have been on private archives or FFNET. This was a huge fandom, but with great size comes great variability in quality!
I personally am not interested in more than the psychological side of BDSM, but it's ENTIRELY about trust and control, the physical restraints, whips and collars are just an extension of that. I'll read anything out of academic interest, even if it doesn't sit well with me, but I don't think that we, as writers, can afford to let ourselves be ignorant.
However, death to the magical healing cock. I don't need to read one of those stories again to know I second this.
Win a million cest? Windmill cest? Hahaha, the 'winmillcest' is something I made up one afternoon when I was looking for a comical way to distinguish from wincest because Adam was more than a Winchester, he was a Milligan first.
Sauce, drinks, liquids, these are all go in foreplay. Gabriel could definitely involve food in sex, I can see it. I think it would be pretty funny, actually.
If this meme covered all the known kinks, we would never have the patience to sit down and complete it. XD We seem to be of similar opinion on many things! I still remember when I read your Lucifer/Michael Human!AU during the snowstorm; it was like Christmas had come early. :D I'm terrible at leaving people out, that's just my mushy side talking, but who is Baby in your RP? Do you mean the Impala? :P
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Date: 2011-04-15 12:22 am (UTC)I don't think my Final Fantasy has seen the light of the internet. I wrote in Kingdom Hearts, barely, but those are still two fandoms I would love to redabble in, just because.
And well, when it comes to Wincest, we've just got to remember that there are more WInchesters than just Sam and Dean. There's John and there's Adam and people might include Mary, I don't know. But 'Winmilcest' is something funny I can get behind, it's cute.
And well, everything involving Gabriel is usually funny. Until you talk about his brother and make presumptions about his family =/
And yes, Baby = Impala. That's what Dean calls her and that's her name. Unless Sam's in her, then she's Sampala and she just feels dirty. And you liked the Michael/Lucifer snowstorm? *claps* That makes me so happy! I miss writing angelcest, I should continue those one-shot things. And I don't RP widely in the Supernatural fandom oddly enough, just with
Also, yay for similar opinions! *claps more*
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Date: 2011-04-15 03:06 am (UTC)*laughs forever, hugs you* There are no chances to accept or reject internet hugs, your consent is not warranted here. :P
Speaking of dubious, my Final Fantasy was pretty dubious, too. I wrote quite a bit back in the day and they were fun while they lasted.
Exactly right, John is the original Winchester, but his boys take the lion's share of the following. It's just occurred to me that we've never met anyone else from John's side of the family, have we? I know his family weren't hunters, but considering the importance of his bloodline, I'm now intrigued to know if he has any surviving relatives.
Sampala! XD What about if Cas had to drive her? Somehow 'Caspala' doesn't have the same ring to it, it sounds like a town in Mexico. Or a cocktail.
The Michael/Lucifer snowstorm was awesome. Not only was the cast fantastic, if you ever wanted a testament of kinks I enjoy, that was pretty much it. This must explain why we have similar opinions! It was funny *and* sexy and since we're heading through Autumn into Winter where I am, the timing seems perfect to go back and read it again. :D
I enjoy the angels so much, though I don't RP them (actually, I don't RP at all these days), they seem to be taking center stage of most of my stories.
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Date: 2011-04-17 12:04 pm (UTC)I always thought his parents were older for some reason and they died. I have no idea why I think this though. I mean, if there were more to the bloodline, like an uncle or whoever, they would've been used versus resurrecting Adam, right? Then again, the whole brother motif was the whole point of bringing Adam so now I don't know. But even when Mary died, there were no mentions of other family, just Mary's uncle who paid for the headstone. So like, I think he's a only child to older parents who died naturally when Dean was a baby. Or not, you never know >.>;
Caspala does sound like a Mexican town o.O We won't speak of this again.
And seriously, Snow Angels was a hole in one? *flails* (Totally wrote it as like, falafel or something first >.>;) I like funny during/before/after sex, it makes it normal, ya know? And read away, I won't stop you! Tell me any request you might have for that little AU and I'd so do it. I mean, slutty!Lucifer as a quarterback is actually fun for me and Michael was surprisingly fun. Hell, any prompt period. It's how my friends get fics outta me, random word association.
I've been getting into the angels for a while, more specifically the angelcest with Michael/Lucifer. They're so diverse, family dynamic is so fun with them.
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Date: 2011-04-18 06:15 am (UTC)If John had other living relatives, there would definitely be less of an imperative to resurrect Adam, but you're right - we'd lose the emphasis being put on brothers and a lot of the tension by introducing a new character so late at that point in the season. I should go back to see if there was any mention of John's extended family, I'm curious now.
Just you wait, Caspala will be putting forth a motion for official recognition at the spn round table of equality soon.
'Snow Angels' (lol) was definitely falafel-hole-in-one for me, because that's the sort of thing I like. And what are you saying, sex isn't normally funny? XD Or occasionally uncomfortable, messy, and thus awkward? If people *don't* laugh at themselves at this point, man, what a loss. People need to laugh at themselves more often, I think we'd all be much happier for it.
I'd be really curious to see Michael and Lucifer interact with the rest of the football team and cheerleading squad you've already mentioned. It sounds like any practice session would be a hilarious melting pot of hormones and tempers, especially if the cheerleaders were on site shouting commentary with Deanna leading the charge. Or perhaps we could see how well Castiel is actually responding to Deanna and Balthazar's effort to double team him: is he happy about it? I'd also love to see Lucifer interact with his siblings: is he a concerned older brother with double standards for his bad habits as long as his siblings stay in line, or does he enable bad (even if funny) habits in them, too? In conclusion, you just listed off a huge ensemble and if you decide to write more, it would be so much fun to see what they're all getting up to in this AU. :D
I love writing about the angels, because it's another expansive family dynamic to play with, but unless we're talking human!AU, it's not merely family in the traditional ways we know it. And if I haven't already burbled about how much I love writing about families - I really, really do.
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Date: 2011-04-18 03:16 pm (UTC)That'd be cool. I mean, the boys having actual blood family has just kinda dwindled to uh...just them. Oh gods, they're the last Winchesters ever and neither of them are going to change that. Poor bloodline =(
I doubt that Gabriel would've been silly enough to....I mean, I doubt Gabriel would've done that to Castiel, considering that'd just have made it easier for Cas to identify him, probably. I mean, he'd have been felt up by Gabe's grace and then they woulda found out about him being an angel that way.
And most times, sex is angsty or serious and loving or whatever the fuck. I made it sillier than usual, they're teenagers after all. I mean, Luce diving for lube and condoms like that? I found it cute *Shrugs* But yes, poking fun makes people happier *nods*
And omg, this paragraph of stuff o.o It's like, I'd have to this about all of this. Omg, I need to make family trees now. I'm excited. All this, me gusta. A lot. You're brilliant =D
I usually have absentdaddy!Chuck in my human!AUs for the boys. I mean, I use that to create the dynamic for Michael/Lucifer. It's easier to have fun with the human characters too if they were all human. And I love your love of families, I like them too =)
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Date: 2011-04-18 03:27 pm (UTC)I'm sure that somewhere in the lost year of Robo!Sam, he accidentally sowed himself an heir. Surely, the statistical odds were good for a broken condom, and I don't think we ever got the final word on whether or not Ben was actually Dean's. To be honest, Dean's probably got an accidental kid out there as well, with his track record, I had half-expected the show to use Ben as the back-up vessel for the S5 climax and confirm he was Dean's son. I was (happily) surprised when they used Adam instead.
Lucifer and Michael were so funny, you really could see the teenagers in them and it worked. I'm glad my haywire ideas seemed to have sparked something! These are all things I was thinking as I read the story because you hinted at so much in there, I was left so curious. The family trees are nuts, I loved it so much!
Absent Daddy syndrome is one of many understandable reasons for Michael and Lucifer's dynamic. Based on Chuck's characterisation in the show, I also like the idea of "absent and guilty about it because he's a sap, but he really wants to be there and just can't for work commitments which mean jack to his family holding down the fort" Chuck, too - that was too long to fit in quality exclamation (!). :P
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Date: 2011-04-18 03:56 pm (UTC)And well, Lisa said she had a paternity test to show that Dean wasn't the father, meaning she knows who Ben's father is and just doesn't want anything to do with him. But, I always hope she was lying *fingers cross* But I think that Dean was always careful unless he had stints like with Lisa where they were just so awesome and crazy that he looks back and says, 'Huh, did I even buy enough condoms for that time?' But he's always careful otherwise, he doesn't like attachments, especially after Cassie.
I knew it was a lot of backstory but like, damn, I just realized how much. I might have a new AU to write once I finish my Big Bang o.o
I really <33 Chuck, and I've never specifically named him as 'father' in my stories so I cut him slack, especially since 'harried businessman' is not a way I'd describe Chuck. However, wellmeaning!daddy!Chuck is a nice change =) And lol, consolidate your words, child!
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Date: 2011-04-18 04:10 pm (UTC)... Omg, can you imagine those angels trying to settle the apocalypse in tiny vessels? *laughs forever* Because of course it would take five seconds and the promise of anything mundane to get a toddler to say 'yes' unless there's something in the possession fine print about 'informed consent' and the requirement for your prospective vessel to actually comprehend what they're getting into.
Oh good, thank you for pointing out Lisa's paternity test. It's been a long time since I watched those episodes.
Yes. Yes, write this AU post your big bang. I will feed you cookies. I will (virtually) stand over your shoulder and be your muse until it's done, even if I have to sit in your sandbox and kick around the toys myself! :D
But now you have context for my impression, see? :P I did especially notice my consolidation-fail the other day when I was staring at a sentence for my big bang and selected four words to replace them with 'that' and realised, 'wow, I inflate a lot'. It's good people like you that keep me in line!
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Date: 2011-04-18 05:12 pm (UTC)Eh, people think Lisa lied about the test because she'd need Dean's DNA for it. I say she just knew the right guy to ask and that it wasn't Dean *Shrugs*
You pull Castiel's now? *insert Misha creeping on Jensen gif* Though, I like your muses, they please me.
And lol, wordiness. Some people hate it, other people don't realize they do it on a daily basis. I keep you in line, you keep me in line? *thumbs up*
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Date: 2011-04-18 05:23 pm (UTC)I say we take the paternity story that fits our story! Easy!
I pull whatever it takes to get results and I am not above bribery. Your muses please my muses, and we'll keep each other in check; it's a done deal.
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Date: 2011-04-18 06:20 pm (UTC)And yes! Writer discretion is applicable.
Woot! Deal done!
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Date: 2011-04-18 06:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-18 06:29 pm (UTC)LUCIFER IS CAPABLE OF BECOMING SAILOR MERCURY AND USES BUBBLES AS A FORM OF ATTACK. Quickly, find Michael's sailor scout form!
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Date: 2011-04-18 06:38 pm (UTC)MICHAEL IS NOT MARS. MICHAEL IS NOT MARS.
Or Venus? Where did that come from? Venus is all light, but Michael is the sword, thus Mars.
NO, STOP IT, BRAIN. I NO LONGER CONSENT TO THIS. [cries]
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Date: 2011-04-18 07:08 pm (UTC)THUS IT HAS BEEN SAID.
LUCY VS MIKEY
SAILOR MERCURY VS SAILOR MARS.
But since this has obviously gone from fun to not so much, I'll back off =/ *pats gently* It's alright.
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Date: 2011-04-18 07:17 pm (UTC)Haha, it's okay, lovely, (sorry about the confusing crocodile tears from too much lol to be contained) it's just shocking how it all came flowing back and overlaid way too easily with SPN in some really incongruous images. It was *that* funny and I am that tired that it was honestly hurting my brain. XD The angels would have to make sailor suits modern and not-so female, unless they were being genderbended. Things to ponder at a more decent hour.
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Date: 2011-04-18 07:47 pm (UTC)....I need to bring up genderbent angels in sailor suits to Lettie. She can totally draw them all cute and stuff.
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:08 pm (UTC)Awww, gorgeous! Which friend is this? I'm also imagining the angels as they are in their male vessels, but with the sailor suits tailored in surprise!GQ style. The sailor collar is disappearing with only the colour swathes left behind, though, if we take it as ordinary sailor suits my brain comes back online.
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:24 pm (UTC)O.O GGQMFs? Hell yeah! And you haven't looked at her stuff? It's adorable! Here's a sample comic of hers. No spoilers, honest. And she draws girl!Cas so adorably, like here. It has girl!Dean too, you've been warned >.>;
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:30 pm (UTC)... I think I'm in love. girl!Cas&Dean was brilliant, those expressions are perfect! The comic is still loading, oh for crazy great comic sizes.
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:56 pm (UTC)TEST IT. TEEEEST IIIIIIIIT!
And lolol, the comic is so damn worth it, trust me. And aren't they?! Check out the rest. Tell her I pimped her out, IDC!
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Date: 2011-04-18 07:20 pm (UTC)Hi, my name's Theresa and I'm a kink writing virgin. *waves hand shyly.
Or
Hi, my name's Theresa and I'm a kink reading whore. That'll be $100 if you please.
I think out off all the kinks above the only ones I haven't ventured into is Mpreg & food. Everything else is fair game as long as it is well written and in character. I'm not really into Au Wincest, because if you have to take them so far out of Show, why write Sam & Dean at all? I do however really enjoy AU J2. I liken it to them being given a part in a movie in which they just happen to develop some sort of relationship. I also like certain types of RP J2, but usually I tend to lean towards the humorous slash. I LOVE humor, especially when it involves penis action. And I love giving humorous/slashy plot bunnies away, so if you are ever in need of a bunny, call me. And that too will be $100. *giggle
But as far as writing, I am, so far, strictly a Gen girl. Or, as Gen as the show is, which means that I write very subtle & not so subtle hints at Wincest & slash.
I have a lot of kinks and the vary widely & can get a little strange, but that's the fun of fic, it's all imaginary & a means of escape.
Also by the way, I'm loving the convo above. Sam definitely has offspring running around now & Ben is most certainly Dean's although I haven't figured out why she'd lie about it for this long.
That is all.
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Date: 2011-04-18 07:40 pm (UTC)All that aside, hi, Theresa! :D I see you read kink, but you write gen and love Bobby! I think you will be good for the biodiversity around here, especially since I've waded so far into pairing land I'm having trouble remembering how much fun it is to write gen every once in a while.
I also agree that writing AU wincest threatens to lose the majority of the reasons why it's so popular in the first place, unless you replicate all those conditions of the family's codependence in the AU. Even so, it's a lot of work to do. There are some exceptional J2 writers out there, AU or otherwise, so I definitely don't discount their work on the fact that it's RPF/S alone - it's still fiction and it's worth the read.
I may have to tap your vein of humourous / slash plot bunnies someday soon, my big bang is getting knee deep in serious and I'll need a lighter fill to keep my head above water! Hope yours is going well!
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Date: 2011-04-18 11:21 pm (UTC)Although I must say that I'm jealous. I was stuck at work all day long watching email notifications come in from you and grlkat2 & others & the only thing I wanted was to ditch work & play with you all.
I've got a specific goal in mind this week for my big bang & I plan to stick to it, so I'll be here & gone very shortly to work on my fic. :)
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Date: 2011-04-19 01:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-19 04:30 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-19 05:10 am (UTC)I'm supposed to be writing...well, no that's not exactly true. It's midnight and I'm supposed to be sleeping, but before - I was supposed to be writing and I stupidly checked my friends page and saw a storyfinders request for J2 kissing on camera and became intrigued.
Have you ever read Win-Win Situation? Holy Crap, I need a cold shower!!!
So needless to say, I only got about 400 words written tonight. *lots of cussing under my breath* :) That fic was SO worth it though *chuckles nervously, wipes sweat from brow*
Alright, I'm going to bed, dammit!
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Date: 2011-04-19 05:20 am (UTC)And hey, no worries, apparently the deadline for the first check-in was extended another day so now that we all have the initial excitement through our system we can buckle down for the real work!
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:10 pm (UTC)Considering incest is a kink, I haven't been a kink virgin in a looong time. But the kink reading whore this is so totally up my alley, you might be my spirit animal.
I'm with bells about the replication of codependency in the Wincest AU. It's fun. Hell, I read one where Sam and Dean were separated after the fire, killed bother John and Mary, and Sam got adopted (but was blind) and Dean was so badly burned that no one wanted him. They ended up getting close and then angst happened. I won't spoil it, but I loved it.
And just $100 for a plot bunny? I like it. And I miss Gen O.O I haven't read some in a loooooong time. Pairing land, as bells calls it, is quite alluring. Like Robot Unicorns or something, I swear.
And I think Lisa would lie about it because it's one thing for Dean to feel like Ben is his son, it'd be entirely different if Ben WAS his son. He'd be included in the madness that was bloodline-of-Winchester and well, she didn't want that more than necessary, you know?
And muahaha, welcome to the crack that is us. I add you so I can
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:20 pm (UTC)Fandom had little to no alternative to wincest with ongoing characters before the angels came in (remember those days: if you can't keep it in your pants, keep it in the family?). As soon as Castiel came in, they were on him like white on rice, it was HILARIOUS. It's hard to believe that was only two seasons ago.
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Date: 2011-04-18 08:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-04-18 11:31 pm (UTC)& don't forget about Seb. Now that we have naughty angel & naughtier actor, It's like a slash free-for-all. Hell, I hold him personally responsible for all the gay loving going on in Rome. And thank Chuck for that. & just know he reads slash.
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Date: 2011-04-18 11:42 pm (UTC)I inspired a jared on sextasy J2 recently. That was fun. He's touchy feely enough w/out the benefit if ecstasy. Add viagra to that mix & jensens in trouble. :)
So, have you theorized on who the season ending deaths are going to be?
Oh, & totally friending you back.